Monday, November 20, 2023

HAMAS and Israel started World War C, for Cult?

    I wandered down yet another Holy Land rabbit hole yesterday and today, and I leave for others to wonder if I’ve lost all of my marbles, or the Holy Land and its ardent fans are a giant asylum for the criminally insane. 

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A thing I have noticed from people who have supported Israel are now talking in terms of "oh all those people are messed up on both sides and have been fighting for centuries" like they know Israel is doing some despicable stuff but instead of calling them out and having a spine they are taking the tactic of blaming both sides and acting like they never sided with one or the other.


Sloan Bashinsky

Well, I'm not an Israel fan, and I say both sides clearly are messed up, and it actually dates back to Abraham's two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. From Ishmael came Mohammed. From Isaac, Moses and then Jesus. In Genesis, God told Abraham that Ishmael's seed would cause Isaac's seed trouble, and it looks like Islam took that to heart, and let's not forget the Crusades, which were lovely and Islam never forgot. This entire mess is caused by religions, and it's going to keep being a mess, for so long as Israel exists in Palestine. 


Ernesto

Nope, it does not date back to biblical times, that is a lame excuse. The entire mess is not caused by religions, that is the other lame excuse.

It dates back to the late 19th century when the "father" of ZioNazism started to talk about a Jewish home state, and hey, why not in Palestine since it belongs to us.

Never mind that he was a European Jew with no roots there, never mind that is racist following were all European Jews with no roots there, and never mind that the original Israelites left 2 millennia ago.

Eventually the trickle of European Jews became a flood that infested the region, stealing the land from the indigenous Arab population, and illegally creating a racist sewer on the stolen land thereby ethnically cleansing and genociding that Arab population, the Palestinians, who did not agree with the UN's recommendation.

THAT is the root cause of this mess. The racist sewer has been the cause of 99% of the death and destruction in the Middle East ever since the creation of said sewer. 


Sloan Bashinsky

Maybe you should read the Bible? That's when it started that God promised Israel land.. It's been evolving, or devolving, ever since. 

  

Ernesto

Nope, I don't read the bible because it is a book written by grass smoking village elders with nothing else to do than wait for death, so they decided to write some nonsense.

And if there was such a fantastic god as you guys claim, what has he done for mankind? Just name me 1 thing that is scientifically proven that god himself did it. I am not interested in fairy tales.

BTW, the book was amended many times during history, for religious, political, convenience and many other reasons.


gypsy

The “Bible”?

You mean that fictional work of horror stories and downright laughable “miracles”?

Sure, the Red Sea “parted”.

Sure , Jesus brought a dead man back to life.

Sure, asses can speak.

Sure, Jesus was raised from the dead and ascended into “heaven”.

I could go on, but I haven’t read the Bible since I was forced to as a child. Thanks be to my parents who allowed me to explore my own spirituality.  


ChazLB

I'll have you know ass's can speak,,have you never seen a political debate? 


Sloan Bashinsky

You may think the Bible is fictional, but Christians don't. Practicing Jews and Muslims don't think their Scriptures are fictional. So, if you ignore what motivates them, you live in the fictional. 

  

gypsy

This “war”, if one can call such an incredibly one-sided conflict that, has naught to do with religion. 

Land grab, plan and simple, in order that Israhell be able to seize not only additional real estate, but vast natural gas reserves off Gaza’s coast, plus put into implementation of their Ben Gurion Canal project.

As a Pagan, I am fully aware that the ONLY “ higher power” is Mother Nature.


Sloan Bashinsky

Do you see any way IDF can defeat HAMAS in Gaza and exploit vast natural gas reserves off Gaza's coast? 


ChazLB

If people got out of their mainstream bubbles they could see that Hamas is doing some real damage to the IDF. The ground war is demonstrating how inept Israel are.

Scott Ritter has been right all along and predicts the end of Israel and the USA is going to end up a third world country for siding with them.  


Sloan Bashinsky

I have not seen reports of HAMAS's military doing much damage to IDF, but Israel took the bait HAMAS laid out on October, which is my birthday, and since then Israel has been destroying its reputation and soul, trying to get at HAMAS. Now, if IDF goes into the tunnels, and into the inner cities, IDF probably will suffer horrible losses, and I don't imagine that's what IDF will do. I can see IDF hosing napalm, or something like it, into the tunnels and setting them on fire and robbing the tunnels of oxygen and killing a lot of HAMAS troops in that way. I see Israel destroying the surface areas of Gaza City, so that it will be very difficult for people to live there comfortably in large numbers. I see Israel cutting off water and electricity and internet and cell pone service. I see Israel shutting down hospitals. How do people I've where there are no hospitals? I see Israel shutting supply routes. Who knows when Israel will decide enough is enough? I sure don't. 

I imagine if Israel feels too much outside pressure from Islam, say, Iran, Israel will answer with nuclear weapons. Imagine downtown Tehran inhabitable for a few hundred years. I think HAMAS has no clue what Israel is capable of doing. I think HAMAS thinks it's the baddest ass kicking thing around. But it isn't. Israel is, and who can stop Israel? Only Israel can stop Israel, for a while. 

Down the road, America might stop sending Israel money and weapons, but there will be hell to pay for Congress officials who go for that. Hell to pay form the American right, religious and not religious. What I think is right, what you think is right, really is irrelevant to Israel. it is doing what it thinks is right, and it has the weapons to obliterate its enemies' cities for a very long time.


Dennis

I lot of words here - demonstrating that you are an ethno-supremacist Sloan my friend. Like Hitler was.


Sloan Bashinsky

Actually, I think Donald Trump and his legions are eerily like Adolph Hitler and his legions leadning into the Holocaust. Back when Donald and daddy owned apartments in NY City, they were prosecuted for racial discrimination against people of color. Vanity Fair published an article some time before Trump ran for president in 2015, in which his first wife, Ivana said, when she and Donald were married, he kept a book of Hitler's speeches in a cabinet on his side of their bed, and sometimes he read it at night. When asked about that, I read in a news article, Trump said, if he ever had such book he didn't read it. he told the woman leader of Germany that only one person grew larger than he drew - that would be Hitler  

 

When former KKK head honcho David Duke endorsed Trump in 2016, Trump was very slow to deal with it, and he never said he didn't want the Klan's votes. When you look at photos and videos of the Charlottesville Confederate monument removal protests during Trump's first term, you see Confederate and Swastika flags and oceans of white people. Same when you look at photos and film footage of MAGA rallies. Same when you look at photos and film footage of the January 6, 2020 insurrection. A picture is worth a thousand words. Res Ipsa loiter, the thing speaks for itself. Trump is the religious right's dream come true, and the Aryan America dream come true. And he backs Israel, as do his mobs. When Trump said the 2020 election was stolen from him, his legions knew he mean, stolen by people of color. 

 

That you liken me to Hitler speaks to the core of your prejudice. Hitler killed all but two of my Jewish ancestors. The two who were not killed came to America before the end of the 19th Century. No, I am not Jewish. I was raised in Christendom. Now I belong to no religion,. I view religions as cults. I view political parties as cults. When you take a side like you have done, you cannot see clearly. You are compromised. HAMAS is a cult. The people running Israel are a cult. Perhaps Armageddon, if it comes, should be called World War C, for Cults.  


ChazLB

Buybull is a man made interpretation of spiritual feeling it can't explain so it made up deities..

Every single idea concept and word written down is MAN MADE,, ALL OF IT WITHOUT QUESTION IS MYTH  


Dennis

God and Jesus are only myths in a very old book of fiction my friend. 

And the imaginary Christian God started all this horror in the first place. 

When one party comes armed with their Bible and a 2,000-year-old promise from THEIR IMAGINARY GOD, rational thinking goes out the window. 

The issue will only be settled on the field of battle with iron and rivers of blood. 

Thousands slaughtered in the name of imaginary GODs. 

As it has been done since man invented GOD's. 

There will be no winners. 

Every religion claim's that theirs is the only true God! 

What evidence do Israelis have that their religion is not just other false religion? 

Why is their "God" real and all the others are not? 

When they understand why they dismiss ALL the other possible "Gods", only then will they understand why the non-religious dismiss theirs. 

"Religion poisons everything" - Christopher Hitchens 


ChazLB

Poor God, he's used as the excuse for every fucked up thing humans do..if I was him I would smite the shit out of humans.


Sloan Bashinsky

Religious people, in the main, are going to be really surprised when they leave this life and see how little they understood.


ChazLB

Come to think of it he just might be smiting the shit out of us right now.. Better go massage my bible.  


Sloan Bashinsky

Heh, I belong to no religion, and I bet if you lived in my skin a while, you would wish God, angels known in the Bible, Jesus, the Devil and demons, did not exist. Meanwhile, let's go forward assuming the Bible and God are a myth. That changes nothing, when the people on both sides, Islam over there, Israel over yonder, Christendom over another way. They  believe what their scriptures say, and nothing you say or do will persuade them otherwise. Their scriptures are like AI programs in them, and you will not change them with your words. It is not possible to understand what is going on in Palestine, if you don't factor in their religions. 


ChazLB

People of all those religions lived in relative peace in Palestine till The Zionists stole the keys off the British and began the ethnic cleansing day two.

You can waffle on about abriham and hessus and all those fairy book stories but the real trouble all started as soon as those fucking Zionists showed up.

You might want to peep your little peepers on the film 1948 movie creation and catastrophe how Israel was formed in violence, a documentary. 


Sloan Bashinsky

I am convinced making Israel was a mistake, and the Bible convinced me, for starts. Maybe it would not have happened if America had taken in the WWII European Jewish refugees. Looks to me the only solution now is for Israel to move to America. Otherwise, not much will change, unless Israel uses its nuclear weapons, is how I see it.


ChazLB

Israel has a Sampson option...as insane as that is..I put nothing past those psychopaths


Sloan Bashinsky

I think it's insane to think Israel will not use its nukes, if it feels it has to use them. When you have religious fanatics running a country, anything can happen. Look at the jihadists, who are convinced, if they die, they will be with 70 virgins in Paradise, because their Koran tells them so. They aren't afraid to die, because of that. Fanatics on both sides make it impossible to expect peace in Palestine, as long as Israel exists there. the Bible thumpers in America will do all they can to see to it that Israel has all the money and weapons it needs to protect where Jewish leaders, according to the New Testament, persuaded Pilate to crucify Jesus. 


Nizami 

There is nothing in the Quran about 70 virgins, nor about 72 virgins, which at least has esoteric correspondence with e.g. number of cards in a tarot deck. The error derives from mistranslation: Does the Quran really promise Islamic martyrs 72 virgins? | JustIslam


Sloan Bashinsky

Thanks for correcting my 70 virgins misimpression. So, if it's not in the Quran about 70 virgins, where did the Islamic jihadists, suicide bombers, etc. get the notion they were going to die and be with 70 virgins? If they believe it, which apparently many of them do, what does it matter where it came from? They act on that belief, just as almost half of America believes the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump, who, along with his believers, remind me of Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany leading up to the Holocaust, which quite a few people today, apparently, claim did not happen.


ChazLB

I seem to recall the buybull does an awful lot of that kingdoms of heaven smoke they blow up their followers ass too... how they will be anointed with heavenly Angeles bouncing around on clouds...hmm are angels virgins? Is it in the rule book Angel manual?

Christian's still pissed about their savoir got the crusafix..?


Sloan Bashinsky

Never discount the effect religions have on their members. Ditto, members of political parties. Or any herd. 


Feral Finster

I met a rabbi who said that America and not Israel was The Promised Land, the country that never had a pogrom.  

 

Sloan Bashinsky

Not entirely. The McCarthy commie hunter cult was a program, but it got snuffed out, fortunately. How about the Trump cult, which is a program and will become mores if he gets elected. He and his legions remind me of Adolph Hitler and the Nazis leading up to the Holocaust. 
 
Feral Finster
Detestable as they were, neither McCarthy nor Trumpism are pogorms.

Dennis

Sloan is confused about a lot of things my friend.

 

Sloan Bashinsky

What confuses me is how so many people lay100 percent of the blame on Israel, which I have never backed. What confuses me is that so many people back Hamas, when Israel is doing in Gaza exactly what HAMAS hoped Israel would do in response to the October 7 attack, proving HAMAS doesn't give a shit about the people of Gaza. Perhaps it might help to compare the people running Israel to Donald Trump and his MAGAs. Perhaps it might help to compare the people running HAMAs to Donald Trump and his MAGAs. They are convinced they are a resistance movement, and God is on their side. :-)

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Sunday, November 19, 2023

St. Misbehaving is darn grateful he doesn't live in the so-callled Holy Land

    This being the day of rest in my childhood religious sects (Southern Baptist, then Episcopal), perhaps I should share what my tech buddy Bob at The Redneck Mystic Podcast (YouTube), The Redneck Mystic Lawyer Podcast (Torrent), told me on the phone the other day.

    Hwas having a revelation that the Vatican will make me a saint called "Saint Misbehaving". I asked if he was shown it will happen before, or after, the Vatican has me killed, which happened to some people in the past? Bob said he didn't know. 

    This morning, I saw something wonderful in my email, which I could not resist.

Poetic Outlaws | Substack

“Practicing an art, no matter how well or badly, is a way to make your soul grow, for heaven's sake. Sing in the shower. Dance to the radio. Tell stories. Write a poem to a friend, even a lousy poem. Do it as well as you possibly can. You will get an enormous reward. You will have created something.”
—Kurt Vonnegut

Sloan’s Newsletter | Sloan Bashinsky 
One of my favorites, God only knows what marvelous planet Kurt came from, how he survived in a very strange land and kept his wit and his wits about him.,, 
 
In the main, humanity looks really fucked up to this 81-year-old mystic, poet and culture jammer, who wonders if there are any poets living today, whose verses might stand a chance of saving humanity from itself?

    Perhaps in answer, a dumpling from Hell arrived in my email account, and I waded through it and responded.

CAITLIN’S NEWSLETTER
Israel Doesn't Have A Gen-Z Problem, It Has A Morality Problem
CAITLIN JOHNSTONE
NOV 18, 2023
________________________________

Nobody starts out as the sort of person who would support a genocidal bombing campaign that murders children by the thousands. It’s something you come into gradually over the years, one moral compromise at a time.
Again and again over the course of their lifetime, a supporter of Israel is given the choice to either kill off a piece of their conscience or abandon their support for Israel. They are presented with this choice any time they see Palestinians being treated in a way they’d never want themselves or their loved ones to be treated — whether it’s bombs, protesters shot by snipers, people being driven out of their homes, human rights organizations ruling one after the other that Israel is an apartheid state, tales of the racism and abuse suffered by Palestinians in the West Bank, or testimony about how horrific life in Gaza had been made for the people who live there, long before this latest round of killing began.
This information is unavoidable in modern times. You can avert your gaze, you can try to insulate yourself from it in an ideological echo chamber, but it will inevitably find its way into your field of perception once in a while. And every time you are confronted with it, you have to make a choice whether to compromise your personal sense of morality a bit further than it was already compromised, or abandon your support for Israel.
You carve off pieces of your own morality one at a time, mostly in order to avoid the psychological discomfort known as cognitive dissonance which necessarily goes along with any drastic change in worldview. Then before you know it you find yourself opposing a ceasefire to a murderous onslaught that has killed thousands of children.
Deep down you know you’re on the wrong path. You know this isn’t how you started out, isn’t how you’re meant to be living your life. But you drown out that small voice inside with the much louder voices of life in a modern industrialized society, many of whom are paid millions of dollars a year to tell you your worldview is the correct one.
This is why there’s such a massive generation gap on the Israel-Palestine issue; young people haven’t spent a long time gradually eroding their moral compass into a worthless trinket, and they don’t consume enough mass media to have been convinced that doing so would be worthwhile. They have not been sufficiently indoctrinated into depraved indifference toward the suffering of others.
In a recent statement rejecting right wing claims that its algorithms are stacked to favor Palestine and promote anti-Israel sentiment, TikTok says the real reason pro-Palestine sentiments are so popular on the platform is because young people just statistically oppose Israel a lot more than older generations.
TikTok writes the following:
 “Support for Israel (as compared to sympathy for Palestine) has been lower among younger Americans for some time. This is evidenced by looking at Gallup polling data of millennials dating as far back as 2010, long before TikTok even existed. A March 2023 Gallup poll, before the war, shows young adults have rapidly shifting attitudes towards the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.”
In a leaked audio clip obtained by Tehran Times, Anti-Defamation League director Jonathan Greenblatt is heard bemoaning the loss of Gen-Z to pro-Palestinian sentiment.
“But I also wanna point out that we have a major, major, majorgenerational problem,” Greenblatt complains to his cohorts. “All the polling that I’ve seen — ADL’s polling, ICC’s polling, independent polling — suggests this is not a left or right gap, folks. The issue in the United States’ support for Israel is not left and right, it is young and old.”
“We really have a Tik-Tok problem, a Gen-Z problem,” Greenblatt adds.
In reality, what Greenblatt and his associates have is a morality problem. They have a large group of people who have not been indoctrinated into accepting madness and amputating parts of their own conscience over the years, and so are able to look at the mass murder of civilians in Gaza with clear eyes.
And really that’s all you need to see the ongoing Gaza massacre for what it is: a look with clear eyes. Just one swift glance, unmolested by propaganda distortion or cognitive biases. That’s all it takes. 
Israel’s problem is not that people are being propagandized into hating it, it’s that people are not being successfully propagandized into supporting it. Their problem is not malign influence but a lack thereof. Because the fact of the matter is there’s only so many ways you can spin the murder of thousands of children, and now all the media obfuscation in the world is not enough to pull the wool over fresh eyes that are ready to see.

Soan Bashinsky
Writes Sloan’s Newsletter
Perhaps young people do not resonate with, nor can they even imagine just how deeply rooted in three religions descended from Abraham the horrific mess in Palestine is. Perhaps it might help young people to look at Donald Trump and his MAGA evangelists to grasp just how impossible it is to change the minds and behavior of religious zealots, or, if you wish, religious fanatics. 
I don't know any Christians or Jews in my part of America, Alabama, who are willing to die for their religious beliefs. I have known very few Muslims, but the ones I did know did not seem willing to die for Allah.
In other parts of the world, where Islam is dominant, many of its adherents seem quite willing to die for Allah.They view it as a quick ticket to Paradise, and, if they are men, being with 70 virgins. 
HAMAS claims to be an Islamic resistance organization, but its behavior indicates it also is a terrorist organization. The October massacre in israel was a terrorist attack, just as a school massacre in America is a terrorist attack. 
Based on what I have read online and seen in the news, HAMAS has no concern for the people in Gaza being killed by IDF. Hamas views those dead Palestinians as martyrs, who now are in Paradise. 
I am not in any way defending Israel. It has done plenty to cause trouble with its neighbors. I think it was a catastrophic mistake for the state of Israel to come to exist. Maybe it would not have happened if WWI allied countries, including America, had welcomed WWII Jewish refugees into their countries. It looks to me that the only solution for what is going on in Palestine is for Israel to move to America. 
Meanwhile, It looks to me that HAMAS and its Islamic allies spent a long time figuring out and preparing how to cause Israel the greatest possible amount of trouble, and we are seeing it play out in Gaza, mostly, but it very well might spread to the West Bank, Lebanon, etc.
It looks to me that the October 7 attack was part of a much larger scheme to provoke Israel to invade Gaza and kill a whole lot of Palestinian civilians of all ages, attack and disrupt Gaza hospitals, level Gaza cities and infrastructure, and force Gaza people to stay and die or flee to Egypt or wherever, and make Israel look like Nazi Germany. 
It also looks to me that the Bible thumpers in America and elsewhere are so blinded by their Old Testament Scriptures, and by Jesus being crucified in the New Testament at the best of Jewish leaders in Palestine, that they are frenetic to have Israel defend what they view as THEIR Holy Land, and they are frenetic that America give Israel all the weapons and money it needs to do that, while they are just as frenetic that they do not risk their lives and souls to defend THEIR Holy Land.
It also looks to me that the Bible Thumpers in America and elsewhere, and their national governments, and HAMAS and its Islamic allies cannot imagine, if Israel feels sufficiently threatened, it will detonate its nuclear weapons where it deems best for Israel,
God, by any name, has nothing to do with any of this, and the Devil, by any name, has to be immensely pleased.

sloanbashinsky@yahoo.com 

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